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phill3112
post Feb 17 2008, 11:27 PM
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WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT MY DILEMMA? SOME OF MY FRIENDS ARE IN WEB DESIGN BUISINESS AND FEW OF THEM ARE USING DREAMWEAVER (VISUAL DESIGNING ONLY) AND PHOTOSHOP AND THEY ARE ASSURING ME THAT I CAN MAKE A GREAT WEB PAGE WITH NO CODING KNOWLEDGE. AT THE OTHER SIDE ONE OF THEM IS WORKING ONLY WITH COREL, PHOTOSHOP, AND THEN FINISHING WITH CODE (HTML, PHP...) AN HE IS ASSURING ME THAT THERE IS NOTHING LIKE CODING. I'VE BOUGHT HTML TUTORIAL BOOK AND NOW I DON'T KNOW SHOULD I START LEARNING CODE (IS THAT NECESSARY) BECAUSE I ALLREADY KNOW TO MAKE A VERY GOOD WEB PAGE ONLY WITH DREAMWEAVER (VISUAL) AND PHOTOSHOP.

PLEASE GIVE ME FEW PROPOSITIONS AND DIRECT ME ON RIGHT WAY!

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I DONT KNOW ALMOST ANYTHING ABOUT CODING, BUT I AM ANXIOUS TO LEARN!!
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post Feb 18 2008, 02:52 AM
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First thing you need to learn is the location of the Caps Lock.

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post Feb 18 2008, 03:04 AM
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QUOTE(jlhaslip @ Feb 17 2008, 09:52 PM) *
First thing you need to learn is the location of the Caps Lock.


Agreed. Second, use Dreamweaver just to test things out, instead of actually coding the whole thing using it. (Or, you could use Nvu or Quanta+ for that.) If you're going to build the whole page using Dreamweaver, it's going to be way too bloated, and your bandwidth will go away about 3 times as quickly.
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post Feb 18 2008, 03:17 AM
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You have to code as page makers will include code that is not as compatible or optimized as it can be across different browsers. Once you get into dealing with trying to obtain pixel perfect layouts with elements across multiple browsers you will understand the need to code things from scratch.

First learn HTML then move on to CSS once you picked that up. You will also want to learn javascript as well later on to give you come more control over your website.
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post Feb 18 2008, 04:04 AM
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If you are looking to create webpages which are 'standard', in other words with good 'grammar'. Using the design view of Dreamweaver just won't cut it. The problem with websites nowadays is that not every browser can display a website the same way as the other, and it is very important to adhere to good grammer as it goes a long way in ensuring your site will more or less display the same way in every browser. Of course this is not definite, there are bound to be some glitches. You cannot escape coding in websites, more often than not, those websites created entirely from the visual designer in Dreamweaver are websites with poor 'grammar' which are not going to be understood accurately by web browsers.

As a result, these browsers will try to interpret your website and do not be surprised if your site looks entirely different when you put them through Internet Explorer and FireFox. Take the guy's advice here, learn HTML and CSS first, after that you can go further deeper into JavaScript and other server languages like PHP, ASP, JSP ... etc A good website for beginners is W3Schools but of course do not use that as a learning guide, just take it as an introduction to what you are about to learn.
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post Feb 18 2008, 10:02 PM
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QUOTE(phill3112 @ Feb 17 2008, 03:27 PM) *
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT MY DILEMMA? SOME OF MY FRIENDS ARE IN WEB DESIGN BUISINESS AND FEW OF THEM ARE USING DREAMWEAVER (VISUAL DESIGNING ONLY) AND PHOTOSHOP AND THEY ARE ASSURING ME THAT I CAN MAKE A GREAT WEB PAGE WITH NO CODING KNOWLEDGE. AT THE OTHER SIDE ONE OF THEM IS WORKING ONLY WITH COREL, PHOTOSHOP, AND THEN FINISHING WITH CODE (HTML, PHP...) AN HE IS ASSURING ME THAT THERE IS NOTHING LIKE CODING. I'VE BOUGHT HTML TUTORIAL BOOK AND NOW I DON'T KNOW SHOULD I START LEARNING CODE (IS THAT NECESSARY) BECAUSE I ALLREADY KNOW TO MAKE A VERY GOOD WEB PAGE ONLY WITH DREAMWEAVER (VISUAL) AND PHOTOSHOP.

PLEASE GIVE ME FEW PROPOSITIONS AND DIRECT ME ON RIGHT WAY!

P.S.
I DONT KNOW ALMOST ANYTHING ABOUT CODING, BUT I AM ANXIOUS TO LEARN!!


MY CAPSLOCK KEY IS BROKEN TOO!!!!

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First thing you need to learn is the location of the Caps Lock.


OH COME ON HASLIP, CAPSLOCK IS THE CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL!!1!!1!

All seriousness now, people who make websites in dreamweaver and similar software are usually looked down on. First of all their websites won't look the same on all browsers, are not to w3 standards (sometimes they are but a lot of times they end up messing this up), and just make the designer look unprofessional. If you really are too lazy to learn html then I suppose you could use dreamweaver, but html is not a programing language. It uses tags to modify the text that the browser loads into a pretty gui. Php and javascript are programing languages. You wouldn't really need to learn those unless you wanted to do more advanced websites like ones that needed accounts.
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post Feb 19 2008, 06:45 AM
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QUOTE(alex7h3pr0gr4m3r @ Feb 19 2008, 06:02 AM) *
All seriousness now, people who make websites in dreamweaver and similar software are usually looked down on. First of all their websites won't look the same on all browsers, are not to w3 standards (sometimes they are but a lot of times they end up messing this up), and just make the designer look unprofessional. If you really are too lazy to learn html then I suppose you could use dreamweaver, but html is not a programing language. It uses tags to modify the text that the browser loads into a pretty gui. Php and javascript are programing languages. You wouldn't really need to learn those unless you wanted to do more advanced websites like ones that needed accounts.


Now now let's not generalize, I use dreamweaver to make websites, and they are to w3 standards and I always test on Safari, FireFox and IE. Though I am using the code mode and not the designer mode. I like to think of javascript as a language based on a browser because we do have the ability to turn off javascript. PHP on the other hand is a server language and we do not have the flexibility of turning that off. That is why we should never depend too much on Javascript in our websites, though the web is progressing in that aspect with mootools, jquery and scriptaculous and other javascript frameworks. Not to mention one of the most common technologies: Ajax is making use of javascript
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post Feb 21 2008, 08:01 AM
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It is not realy a dilemma. In the age of Internet 1.x you had the option, or were constrained to hard code the design with the content. With the Internet 2.0 you are practicaly forced to separate looks from content. New terms are: skinning, tableless, CSS, modularity and so on. The main objective is to have the content that is easy to manage: insert-edit-update, and the content system will think of the rest.
I suggest you to have a look at Joomla Content Management System and it's skinning abilities... It will let you do almost everything without coding. There is also a larg number of modules and components, but in the end you will see that you have to code in order to achieve some extra effects... Anyway, there is a site, in your own language: http://www.crojoomla.com/ where you can find more details. You will see that with Joomla! many coding is done long ago. Many free template let you experiment, find the looks and layout you like, then when you get down on it it's inevitable that you will bump into some coding.
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post Feb 21 2008, 03:26 PM
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