Women In Islam

Before I start, I admit that I respect Islam and consider it as one of Abrahamic religions [See my post [we believe in same God:. But I don't agree on two things, that Islam is religion of peace and Islam give Women equal right.

Previously I told my opinion why Islam is not religions pf peace. [see my post at: http://www.trap17.com/forums/index.php?s=&...st&p=367642 and http://www.trap17.com/forums/christianity-...ace-t54830.html ]

Here I will discuss the status of women in Islam.

Before that I have to admit that Islam gave women in Arabia protection and many rights not avaialable to them before Islam. At least Islam stopped the habit of killing female born baby that was familiar before Islam in Arabia.

But in Islam:

1. A woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s testimony.

2. A female gets a half share of the inheritance over that of a male

3. Women can only married a Muslim person while men can married Muslim women as well as Jew and christian women [People of books]

4. Women can only marry one husband while Husband can marry 4 wives and women of entrainment and have has slaves[in time of slavery]

5. Slave-girls are sexual property for their male owners.

6. Wife could share his husband with other wives and slaves.

7. Husbands may hit their wives . The Q'uran in Sura 4:34 says:

QUOTE

4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great.

8. According to Islam's Prophet, most of hell's inhabitants are women. Islam's Prophet said,

QUOTE

"I looked at Paradise and found poor people forming the majority of its inhabitants; and I looked at Hell and saw that the majority of its inhabitants were women." (collections of the prophet speech Bukhari}

9. women's right to work is subject to certain conditions::
- The work should not require the woman to violate Islamic law (e.g., serving alcohol),
- The work is mindful of the woman's safety.
- The work should not affect women's commitments towards her family.


This post has been edited by kasm: Feb 12 2008, 04:40 AM

Islam doesn't require you to follow all those rules, You will be a perfect Muslim if you don't follow most(if not all) of them. Why fret so much?

That is why most people have a digust for Islam, just because some take it to far (Extremists), and also the fact most of the world treat women with respect while Islam still sticks with the old ways. Women are the reason men are exist, not to use be used as a baby making machine and stuff like that. That is hte problem with all men they think they are the greatest because they are stronger, and they do all the work, please men need women more then women need men. It is obvious can do a lot if not better then most men, the only thing men have is big, fat muscles that can snap a tree branch in half.

I think the reason many people have a problem with Islam isn't because of the teachings so much as the traditions and culture. Like every time there's a terrorist attack by Muslim extremists, people blame it on the religion of Islam. I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure the Q'uran doesn't preach violence, that's just people using religion as an excuse for violence. I know a lot of great people who are Muslims who treat women basically as equals, and I think in general the treatment of women by Muslim peoples is more of a cultural than religious thing, and that the Q'uran is just applying to the cultural norms of the places from where it originated.

I'd like to add.

It's impossible to prove a rape in Islam, or prove it and then let the victim go alive out of the Court. Just like most of the Sharia laws, thanks to another law peddled by Muhammad (as written in the Hadith itself).

I can provide the verses if needed.

1. Ok, just look at how much rights christian women had a few years ago

2. Same again

3. I'll agree that is a little screwed

4. Ok, I really don't see the issue with polygamy, it's only a few religions that say it is bad. And the slave thing. Ok, slaves are bad, but remember our friend the African-American? (and many more thanks to Christianity)

5. They kind of still are today, in a different way though

6. This is bad? But seriously, nothing is wrong about it. It's just Christianity saying it's wrong

7. Ok, not that good, but did you read it? If they don't obey! Trust me, that is muuuuch better of than lots of women a back when the Q'uran. In a christian household, if a women stuffed up, why not slaughter her?

8. That is just because it is written by men, it's made to make men feel bigger

9. That is a GREAT one. Why not enforce that one in the Bible? (is it in there? never read it)

I just think the media has gotten to you a little. Islam is one of the best religions in the world.

Good luck, Sam.

PS. The dedicated followers of Islam are great, great people, as are the christian ones. It's just those bastard people who cannot follow rules.

You can argue that women in Christianity are viewed as less than men as well...the issue isn't so much the Qu'ran or the Bible, but rather the way they are interpreted. While many suras in the Qu'ran seem to say that women are not equal to men, there are others that indicate positive things about them. The Qu'ran does not make maltreatment of women acceptable; it is mearly abused by certain patriarchal societies to justify their behavior.

Islam is more than just a religion; it is an entire way of life. This is one of the reasons it is difficult to intergrate it into non-Islamic societies, especially ones that advocate separation of church and state. Many governments are afraid of conflicting loyalties; they feel that if a Muslim is dedicated to their religion, they may put that above their loyalty to their country. I think this is one of the reasons Islam gets such a bad rep. Because it is so traditionalist, it has been difficult for Islamic beliefs to become modernizded to the extent that some other religious beliefs and practices have, and this also creates tension. By adapting to the changes that many socities wish to see, Islam could more easily be integrated and accepted in more people's lives.

I also very confuse since i am living in Islam country, but I am not moslem but i do respect moslem.

currently, our country is in fasting month, where moslem does not eat or drink, but what strange me is, the moslem organization acts on behalf of the government and force food seller to close their shop/stand even though they have covered the place with big cloth so people can not see inside. I just dont agree that why moslem must force others to follow them to fasting? And what happen if someone need food and cannot find anyone selling? and moreever, the organization uses violence to force people selling food to close their food stand, you can see our country news but it is in indonesian.

If they really dislike seeing people eating, whats the point of fasting, does not fasting learn to be patience, even though others are eating, the main poin of fasting is to endure so that they are not tempted, but however if they close all the food sellers, who will tempt them anyway? it jus like not learning anything. Currently indonesia has big issue over minority there, minority is pushed to follow the shariah while shariah allows many thing that is unreasonable. And more the government even support those organizations at behind, and in front they stated that that is not good, how hyprocite they are. thats why i really against this.

wow- i've heard enough! i will be converting to islam right away. taking orders ofr any sex slaves.... put your bids in here....

haha funny, not all people think right that okay,
maybe for someone who is really into those kind of bad things, they try to cover everything they did with religions, so the point is who 'do' it, if he uses religions to cover, to gain control over mass, then he should be blamed, and information is needed so that everyone know how to differentiate good and bad, to uncover anything that is, such as political issue, political to victim damages, and so on. I just think that the mass should be blamed for, they follow something that they dont even understand, their desires just make them do bad things in the name of god, that is hypocrite, we should know better what is good and not good for us, and thus we need to tell others who doesnt have enough knowledge to differentiate, just tell them.

But in our country, there are lazy people too, thus they wont work just blame for the rich, they gather masses by provocating racial and religious problems, and then try to force the minority (us) to follow their shariah rule though we are not moslem, and whats more is the government is considering putting shariah in every section of life, and in Padang (one of the city in indonesia) even non Moslem should wear the jilbab for girls, the clothe that cover face, so other religions there must be suffering a lot. They keep blaming that beautiful women attracts them, so they rape her, thats why they should wear jilbab, are they stupid enough, every one knows that they are the one should be blamed that how they do fasting that much to endure this and that, and how come they still unable to endure seeing pretty woman, and if someone else pretty is that a sin?

This post has been edited by innosia: Sep 5 2008, 06:27 PM