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Post #1 post Nov 16 2008, 06:40 PM
So this morning I've been pondering this question, "What will heaven be like?" And it's not the first time I've thought about it.
I makes me sad sometimes when people say they don't want to go to heaven or are afraid to die young and "miss out" on so much.

I wonder how many of us are thinking that heaven is boring.

Well I don't claim to be able to give any details as I've never been there and have only had hints of it in this life. But I definitely can give some ideas.

Do you have things that you long for? All of us do, even if we try to kill our desires. Maybe you wish you had a nice new computer so you didn't have to put up with using an unreliable machine like so many of us do. Or do you wish you had financial freedom after years of worry and struggling to keep your head above water. Perhaps your greatest desire is for that perfect guy or girl or just peace in your family or marriage. There are many such things that we all yearn for.

Why do we have these yearnings and desires? Because deep down we are aware that there is a potential for perfection but it seems so very far away. We are left with emptiness and disappointment in its place (Romans 8:18-21). God has put in us the knowledge that perfection does exist and is supremely desirable (Ecclesiastes 3:11).

But where is perfection? Well, we had it, then we wrecked it (Genesis 1-3). Now it can not be found in us (Romans 3:23), only in a Holy God who sometimes seems far off. Let me give you hope:

It will be restored (Revelations 21:5).

All those longings and desires that each of us have is nothing more than a desire for what heaven is. The best experiences we have in this life are nothing more than a faint aroma of fresh chocolate chip cookies when we are famished. But heaven is the feast. We can't imagine how perfect and pleasant and fulfilling it will be because we are still only longing for the perfection which we have failed to attain. It is beyond your wildest imagination

So forget whether or not there will be computer games, golf, or fishing in heaven. It is a place that is supremely good. Nothing you have ever desired can compare with it.

Having said that, let's take as many people there as we can! The alternative is not so bright.
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Post #2 post Nov 16 2008, 11:43 PM
See, this is a prime example of why the bible is bull, its just an instrument to give hope. How can you believe in something because of faith? Faith isn't a reason, it's an excuse because you have no reason. I don't want to go to heaven even if it does exist, i dont mind dieing either because I know with death comes nothing, no worries, no problems, no pain. Why do people ffeel sorry for the dead, its the living who suffer.
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Post #3 post Nov 17 2008, 01:30 AM
QUOTE(kobra500 @ Nov 16 2008, 07:43 PM) [snapback]418448[/snapback]
See, this is a prime example of why the bible is bull, its just an instrument to give hope. How can you believe in something because of faith? Faith isn't a reason, it's an excuse because you have no reason. I don't want to go to heaven even if it does exist, i dont mind dieing either because I know with death comes nothing, no worries, no problems, no pain. Why do people ffeel sorry for the dead, its the living who suffer.


Wow. You have no faith? The Bible says (in Hebrews 11:1), "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen." Webster says
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1 a: allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1): fidelity to one's promises (2): sincerity of intentions2 a (1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2): complete trust3: something that is believed especially with strong conviction ; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>
So you do not trust anything or anyone ever? I've never actually seen the structure of an atom, but I'm pretty sure it has electrons, protons, and neutrons. I've never seen air, but I'd be left wondering what lungs are for if I didn't believe in it.

On your idea of death, though, I somewhat agree. Death should not bring us fear (maybe the fear of what will lead to death should, though). I think that Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy said it well:

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Consider how lucky you are that life has been good to you so far. Alternatively, if life hasn't been good to you so far, which given your current circumstances seems more likely, consider how lucky you are that it won't be troubling you much longer.


On yet another note, why is this topic in "health"? Perhaps it should be moved to "religion" or something. This topic is not about death, rather about the "after-death".
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Post #4 post Nov 17 2008, 03:54 AM
QUOTE(curtis07 @ Nov 16 2008, 08:30 PM) [snapback]418470[/snapback]
On yet another note, why is this topic in "health"? Perhaps it should be moved to "religion" or something. This topic is not about death, rather about the "after-death".


I was going to put this post in counseling and advice but that didn't seem right. And I didn't find anything on religion or beliefs, if there is such a category maybe the post can be moved. Thanks.
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Post #5 post Nov 17 2008, 04:18 AM
QUOTE(kobra500 @ Nov 17 2008, 09:43 AM) [snapback]418448[/snapback]
See, this is a prime example of why the bible is bull, its just an instrument to give hope. How can you believe in something because of faith? Faith isn't a reason, it's an excuse because you have no reason. I don't want to go to heaven even if it does exist, i dont mind dieing either because I know with death comes nothing, no worries, no problems, no pain. Why do people ffeel sorry for the dead, its the living who suffer.


the bible is not bull. the bible is what makes our lives good. without christianity where would we be? it is the one way where everyone can be united. regardless of age, wealth or happiness. the bible is there for everyone to use as an example to live there lives in a good christian way. the bible says so and that is that i'm afraid.
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Post #6 post Nov 17 2008, 05:16 AM
QUOTE(kobra500 @ Nov 16 2008, 07:43 PM) [snapback]418448[/snapback]
See, this is a prime example of why the bible is bull, its just an instrument to give hope. How can you believe in something because of faith? Faith isn't a reason, it's an excuse because you have no reason. I don't want to go to heaven even if it does exist, i dont mind dieing either because I know with death comes nothing, no worries, no problems, no pain. Why do people ffeel sorry for the dead, its the living who suffer.

Allow me to show you the faith, given the description of faith you give, within your own post:
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[...]the bible is bull, its just an instrument to give hope. [...] I know with death comes nothing, no worries, no problems, no pain.

Now why is this faith by your own description? Because you did not provide any proof; that is, an excuse without reason—an excuse for not believing. For the former, the logic doesn't follow. For the latter, you've never been dead, so how can you know it doesn't bring that kind of stuff? Hell for one is known as the second death. Therefore, to ask you the same thing, how can you believe in something dependent on faith alone? Since faith is to believe, though you attempt to make it look like two different things, that implies that even the very things you see require faith. So then how can you believe in the very things you see? You can't do away with faith no matter how hard you try, so it is futile to argue against faith.
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Post #7 post Nov 17 2008, 06:47 AM
QUOTE(kobra500 @ Nov 16 2008, 07:43 PM) [snapback]418448[/snapback]
See, this is a prime example of why the bible is bull, its just an instrument to give hope. How can you believe in something because of faith? Faith isn't a reason, it's an excuse because you have no reason. I don't want to go to heaven even if it does exist, i dont mind dieing either because I know with death comes nothing, no worries, no problems, no pain. Why do people ffeel sorry for the dead, its the living who suffer.



Kobra I agree with you to a point and a strong point I feel. What you said of the bible being bull. Your so wrong there. 1st off before I go into all this with you or anyone here at trap I want to say this, I am NOT a bible pusher by any means. But I do believe in a higher power, that one day all of us will have to deal with in one way or another. be it heaven or in hell.

As for hell, Maybe we are all in it and it's called earth. who knows. thats not the name of this thread.

as for heaven? I just hope it is nice with great sunny days
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Post #8 post Nov 17 2008, 05:33 PM
I can not know how heaven must be like, that is obviously impossible, but i can imagine and even beleave/hope how heaven is like.

Heaven, if it actually exists, and by the way i am a christian/catholic, i beleave it must be a place where souls, deserving souls of course, will rest for all eternity, which where they will feel good at least, without pain nor hunger, without mind nor body suffering, well... heaven if i beleave, must be a quite good place to be for eternety, if that is the case of course.

Despite the fact that i am a christin/catholic, i have 6 years of catholic school, or sunday school as you in America call it if i remember quite well, so i did study a lot of this subject, the subject of spirituality, and subjects related to christianity and religious beleaves.

I beleave in God, and if there exists a God, a superior beeing which i beleave, He must have created a place where the good guys will be after they die, otherwise, it makes no sense, to me at least.

I hope there is a God, i hope there is a heaven, i hope there is at least a good place where the good guys like me will go when we die, but first of all, i want to live for a long time, forever if one day that is possible, i hope, because this is all talk, i can not know if i will suffer after i die, so think about this last paragraph of mine.

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Post #9 post Nov 17 2008, 06:33 PM
Am I the only one who do not like the thought of "eternity"? Because that is a very long time! I do not know if I believe in heaven, my views about things like this somehow change all the time and most often there are others who are contributing to the change.
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Post #10 post Nov 17 2008, 07:09 PM
QUOTE(asdftheking @ Nov 16 2008, 06:40 PM) [snapback]418403[/snapback]
So this morning I've been pondering this question, "What will heaven be like?" And it's not the first time I've thought about it.
I makes me sad sometimes when people say they don't want to go to heaven or are afraid to die young and "miss out" on so much.

I wonder how many of us are thinking that heaven is boring.

Well I don't claim to be able to give any details as I've never been there and have only had hints of it in this life. But I definitely can give some ideas.

Do you have things that you long for? All of us do, even if we try to kill our desires. Maybe you wish you had a nice new computer so you didn't have to put up with using an unreliable machine like so many of us do. Or do you wish you had financial freedom after years of worry and struggling to keep your head above water. Perhaps your greatest desire is for that perfect guy or girl or just peace in your family or marriage. There are many such things that we all yearn for.

Why do we have these yearnings and desires? Because deep down we are aware that there is a potential for perfection but it seems so very far away. We are left with emptiness and disappointment in its place (Romans 8:18-21). God has put in us the knowledge that perfection does exist and is supremely desirable (Ecclesiastes 3:11).

But where is perfection? Well, we had it, then we wrecked it (Genesis 1-3). Now it can not be found in us (Romans 3:23), only in a Holy God who sometimes seems far off. Let me give you hope:

It will be restored (Revelations 21:5).

All those longings and desires that each of us have is nothing more than a desire for what heaven is. The best experiences we have in this life are nothing more than a faint aroma of fresh chocolate chip cookies when we are famished. But heaven is the feast. We can't imagine how perfect and pleasant and fulfilling it will be because we are still only longing for the perfection which we have failed to attain. It is beyond your wildest imagination

So forget whether or not there will be computer games, golf, or fishing in heaven. It is a place that is supremely good. Nothing you have ever desired can compare with it.

Having said that, let's take as many people there as we can! The alternative is not so bright.


Hey there,

Personally I have something to suggest those who are now trying t imagine what will Heaven be like... it's the following:

Why do you think already how after death will be? Don't spend time on thinking how it will be, but spend time on the present moment, you might regret later. Enjoy your lives NOW and not think about death already it just doesn't makes really much sense...

Yes It is good to think about it once or twice, thats human's nature, it's normal, but is it really worth it spending time on that?

I am not saying that you all guys are spending your lives on thinking about this, but I am just saying that some are so scared of death and they already think how Heaven will be like and if it exists and so on. If you don't know now and nobody does, it's not like you will anytime before your death. You will know, if you believe in Heaven, in the right time. It is how it has to be otherwise everyone would know no?

Tim.
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See, this is a prime example of why the bible is bull, its just an instrument to give hope. How can you believe in something because of faith? Faith isn't a reason, it's an excuse because you have no reason. I don't want to go to heaven even if it does exist, i dont mind dieing either because I know with death comes nothing, no worries, no problems, no pain. Why do people ffeel sorry for the dead, its the living who suffer.
Even though you don't believe in bible stuffs, it doesn't means that others do not also. You gotta give them respect if it is important for them. They got raised that way. And well it is not for the bad...
Personally, I am not really religious, but I believe in God. Thats enough for me to keep track on the right way.

If one would say ''Heaven exists'', and you say ''Prove it'', I would say ''Prove that it don't exist''... You see, there are nobody really can say anything. Just be a bit more respectful. It would be like insulting your mother that you respect and love a lot publicly. It is not too nice.

NB: It is good having your opinion, but do not start insulting it [Bible] being ''bull'' and again here, I never said that I believe in those stuffs and neither I say I don't biggrin.gif

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I can not know how heaven must be like, that is obviously impossible, but i can imagine and even beleave/hope how heaven is like.


That's how it's supposed to be! You gotta hope for something and believe in your hopes even if others deny it! Thats the spirit biggrin.gif

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Am I the only one who do not like the thought of "eternity"? Because that is a very long time! I do not know if I believe in heaven, my views about things like this somehow change all the time and most often there are others who are contributing to the change.


It's a hard question... how are we supposed to know how we would feel if we experience eternity lol... It surely looks painful LOL

But well, some peoples believe that we have life after death and so we forget our past lives... Means it doesn't seems eternity for us anymore... It is all ethical stuffs, hard to say. But it would be hard if you are the ONLY one to have eternal life, you would see your wife children grand and grand grand children die and it would be painful yes... But I don't know, eternal life seems like you can do many stuffs and accomplish more than you can in our short laps of time..

Time passes so fast =( and it's our worst enemy biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

Tim.
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